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If she really wanted to see it go to donna, texas, refer kids in cages instead she is going to el paso. what is she going to see there. >> you really can't be a border security expert if you are on the ground for two hours. you know, have you got to put some effort into this. and the reality is el paso, the el paso sector is very different than rio grand valley or del rio or the big bend sector or the laredo sector, they all are different. in order to understand this crisis, you have to understand that all parts of the border are different. you know, her showing up and taking a photo op., gett...

But any border patrol expert can tell you, and a boot border security expert, that's difficult fighting against drug traffic at the point of entry. to dedicate resources exclusively for that when you have to think about 100,000 people that are trying to enter in between the points of entry to the country. that's why fencing is so necessary. so we really have a crisis. we have too many people trying to enter illegally. a lot of them are victims of sex trafficking. over a third of women are being abused sexually. and the problem is that we have -- let me tell you, not only is there a crisis and ...

Ground? >> the facts on the ground are this, andrea. first of all, illegal migration on our southern border is a fraction of what it used to be 18 years ago, because of investments in that have been made in the bush, obama, clinton years. it is much harder now to cross our border illegally. because of the investments we made in surveillance, technology, we have built a wall, a fence, pursuant to the secure fence act of 2006, and because of the economy in mexico. the economy in mexico is much improved. so it's a traction of whfractio used to be. the demographic has changed. it's now families, w...

Been said a number of times on this network, that illegal migration now is a fraction of what it used to be, say, 18 years ago. 18 years ago there was 1.8 million apprehensions on the southern border. in the trump administration and recent administrations, there have been 70 million apprehensions because we built a wall pursuant to congress in 2006 where there are several thousand miles of wall in places where it makes sense, plus surveillance, roads, additional personnel, so we've invested in smart ways in border security that has helped bring down illegal migration on our southern border. no...

Down saying that the border wall is of utmost importance saying this isn't just a campaign promise. this is about national security. >> well, i thought as a former member of congress who served on the homeland committee and appropriations commitee doing homeland security i kind of resent this. i was in congress when we passed the secure fence act that authorized over 700 miles of pedestrian and vehicular borders, provided for detention beds, more border patrol agents, we've done a lot to improve the situation on the border. when the president talks about a wall, he uses the term operational co...