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We have an utterly broken immigration system in the senate bill, it does a lot to move this country towards a sane immigration policy. what the house should do is pass a version of this legislation that can be conferenced together, and the country can take a step forward in fixing this problem. which is an enormous one. we have a permanent underclass that lives in the shadows in this country. and we ought to fix it. and this has always been premised on the notion that there is a path to legalization, and then there is a final, at the end of the day, solution for the border security issue, that...

Billion border surge because the key thing it didn't do was tie that apprehension rate of illegal border crossings to the path to citizenship. as long as that, you know, cornyn language isn't in there, they're okay with even if it's wasteful, excessive, they're okay with putting in there in the name of getting more republican votes and palatable to the house. what do you make of that calculation? >> if this is going to happen during the 113th congress, it has to pass the senate with a very robust, bipartisan level of support which means have you to have every single democrat supporting it and ...

Luke russert is joining me on the phone now. >> reporter: things are moving forward, thomas. the importance of this, above all else is politics. the immigration reform bill they want to get to 70 votes. they want overwhelming supportive measure coming out of the senate for the house gop to punt the bill. one of the big issues the house gop has about this border security issue, they said it was not secure enough. john boehner called some of the provisions laughable earlier this week. this group of senators came up with this idea, all right, why don't we do this. why don't we double the size of ...

Anything. this is the difference between marco rubio. i asked him something, dana, that conservatives have been saying. we need an undamaged marco rubio to run for the white house. all these bigger than immigration reform, it will get done without you senator, can you walk away now. what do you say to the republican party that says we need you. he basically said andrea, no, this is the right thing to do. i don't think it is 95% correct. there's a lot more needs to be done. especially the law enforcement measures. i have to say rubio is somebody that sticks to his guns. >> eric, if they get the...

Didn't want his hands on anything. this is the difference between marco rubio. i asked him something, dana, that conservatives have been saying. we need an undamaged marco rubio to run for the white house. all these scandals are bigger than immigration reform, it will get done without you senator, can you walk away now. what do you say to the republican party that says we need you. he basically said andrea, no, this is the right thing to do. i don't think it is 95% correct. there's a lot more needs to be done. especially the law enforcement measures. i have to say rubio is somebody that sticks...