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Points is what does the president want? i think that is determined you know, these negotiations will kind of be flawed and frustrating. >> do you think abigail it is because he is trying to thread the needle? this president is getting a lot of heat from all sorts of very vocal voices. you have rush limbaugh, ann coulter calling him names actually. ann coulter said he was a wimp if he doesn't get this wall and backs down on it? is that the point? he realizes the reality of what's going on here in congress and he is not going to make good on his campaign promise. >> i think what we have seen is ...

Trying to please the base at a time when he is drawing a lot of criticism. sort of almost seeing that as a sort of safe way out of some of these difficult situations and a way to garner praise at a time when he is being criticized pretty hashly. >> he want to pick up up on that with you, jay. look at the promotion of what he is calling a steel slat barrier. what are your thoughts? this is a way of finessing his way out of the border wall language? it is 20 feet high, a concrete barrier that you wouldn't be able to seethrough and you couldn't climb over -- this looks different. >> alex absolute...

So if you want to solve illegal immigration, you have all of those things. look, remember, where we started. donald trump wanted 25 -- first mexico was going the pay for the wall. zerlina is right. what schumer could actually say is look we won't support any bill that doesn't support mexican funding for the wall. that legitimately is the president's position is mexico will pay for the wall. then he wanted $25 billion. in other words, mexico wasn't going to pay for it, taxpayers were. then schumer was going to give him $25 billion for a wall in he can change for daca. he should have taken that ...

Massive crisis down at the border. crime rates are down violent crime rates are down from last year, property crime rates are down. and everything study shows that immigrants, documented and unumt doed commit less crimes than native born americans. >> if what you are saying is true is what is happening in washington right now all about politics and personality. >> it is about donald trump's ego mostly. he wants his vanity wall. u.s. taxpayers should not be spending money on any official wasteful technology. make america great again doesn't mean using 19th century technology. this is like build...

Matters. he moved from wall to fence to spleeked slatted fence. we are already putting more resores to border than federal law enforcement together. we c i don't think we are for wasting unin, whatever the name is applied. >> congressman doingette, do you have a prediction how soon this shutdown will end? is there a scenario where both sides win politically, where the american people win by having border security along the southern border and elsewhere this this country. >> i think we have a significant level of border security now, as indicated by the very comments that we just heard mitch mc...