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People would support primary challenges to some of the older members in congress. at the same time you have pelosi saying, look, the democratic path to the majority runs through moderate suburban districts. that's what won the party back the majority and those are the districts that the party needs to hold going forward. so i think the place where this -- you're right, the place where this big ideas contest could have actual real-life implications is in the elections, not only the presidential but congressional as well. >> you mentioned the border vote. they're back this week and they have a l...

He's not going to let the white house or anybody else tell him to defy a lawful congressional subpoena. >> and they don't have any right of privilege, and does the attorney general have any right even though mueller is no longer an employee? >> no, he has no right whatsoever. the administration has claimed with respect to hope hicks and mcgahn absolute immunity which is nonsense and we're going to show that in court. but, no, there's no right to defy congressional subpoena. the white house might assert some privilege but when they reveal that this -- a lot of the information to mueller and eve...

The white house might assert some privilege but when they reveal that this -- a lot of the information to mueller and even to private attorneys, they waive the privilege. i think he'll answer the questions that are put to him because he's an upstanding prosecutor. >> do you think this border vote, do you think it's going to be straight party line or do you think you'll have enough republicans signing on this to keep the white house at bay and maybe get through the senate? >> i don't know. i haven't been with the republicans. i think it will be close to party line from what i hear. >> does that...

Business to business, rounding up people who are undocumented, and we would then have to put them on trains, on buses to get them out of our country. i think that is an idea that is not in keeping with who we are as a nation. i think it's an idea that would rip our country apart. i have been for border security for years. i voted for border vote in the united states senate, and my comprehensive immigration reform plan of course includes border security, but i want to put our resources where i think they're most needed, getting rid of any violent person anybody who should be deported, we should...

Relief. where you started is where we end up, this is a political deal, designed for short-term political gain t. may help the president in the long term. it is not going to help the american people, i think. >> greta -- i have to point out that it doesn't -- right now, there is an open question whether president obama can deliver the democrats need in order vote. >> that's a whole other issue whether it's a good idea or a bad idea. but the american people are being subject to another political charade and unfortunately, the american people are the victim. anyway... thank you. >> thank you. >>...