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The other side. i think that's what general kelly is going to do, let people know, every single word that's said, that could get out. but now, to this point about these leaks, i mean, in the grand scheme of things, anderson, this story will be here for today and gone tomorrow. this is not something that's going to be bouncing around for days or for weeks. but i do think, if you kind of peel back the curtain and look at what the president is saying, look, i'm glad that president trump who i worked so hard to help elect is actually giving these guys the business a little bit and saying, you know...

We need to be tough on some of these i. we don't want to take some of these economic refugees. we need to get our border wall built. i'm glad president trump is doing things behind the scene that he's saying in public. i like that. >> mac, to jason's point, he raises a good point, people will be glad the president is having a contentious phone call with the president of australia. but that's not what he said at the time. but then he calls reporters liars about it and calling it fake news. again, another example people in the white house have to know this is going to become public. the problem ...