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14 now by count but banning these people from the seven nations. >> frederica, the president has campaigned on and i think has supported millions of americans and trying to keep our borders safer. and when we talks about radical islamic terrorism, he's on target. the appropriate description. so we knew something was coming, he had promised it and i think it's expected he would follow through. having said that, you know, how you do something is as important as what you do and the white house and in that respect, i think how he has done this is extremely damaging to the united states. namely tha...

Basic criteria. and i think it's a -- you know, it's a testament to the senators that were involved that it made some tough choices and made some tough compromises in order to hammer out that bill. now, i haven't seen what members of the house are yet proposing. and maybe they think that they can answer some of those questions differently or better. and i think we've got to be open minded in seeing what they come up with. the bottom line, though, is they've still got to meet those basic criteria. does it make the borders safer? is it dealing with employers and how they work with the government...

Not making borders safer, not having information that comes from employment and these visa holders, we will be less safe in america. immigration reform will make us safer. >> victoria, what's your take on this? what's this going to mean for immigration reform? >> it absolutely will make us safer. we'll see millions more dollars going into border enforcement. one of the key provisions is we'll have an effective visa entry and exit system. the other part of it is that we know who is in this country because part of the immigration reform that's key here is there will be extensive background check...

Here is senator durbin, one of the gang of eight senators, who crafted the bill. >> the worst thing we can do is nothing. if we do nothing leaving 11 million people in the shad degrees be not making our borders safer, not having the information that comes from employment and the visa holders, we will be less safe. >> i don't think it should have a severe impact on immigration but we should focus whether it should be refined and if people are coming from a country where has terrorist background, a strong terrorist element if that country, there should be have a vetting for people from that coun...