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>> well, he had been working with the russian lawyer, natalia veselnitskaya, on a -- for a nonprofit that was lobbying to overturn the magnitsky act. this is a bill that passed congress in 2012 that contained a range of sanctions against russian business people who were believed to be linked to the death of this russian auditor. a guy named sergei magnitsky who up covered the fraud whoepdzed up with some litigation in the united states. the federal government brought charge against the perpetrators of this fraud. well, the sanctions infuriated vladimir putin and he wanted to see it overturned....

Interpretation services. so in all of these things, the lines are kind of blurry as to is this person -- you know, is this person acting on behalf of putin, are they pro russian or are they -- you know, are they pro united states? it's sort of anti-russian. same thing can be said of rinat akhmetshin. we talked to a number of folks who have worked with him who say this guy is as american as apple pie. he's very skeptical of putin. nonetheless, here he is. here this translator is in the meeting pushing for a top priority of vladimir putin. >> ken, did you just break some news on the program? >> ...

That, why have a gun control debate. >> because people buying guns, straw purchasers and should be prosecuted. >> sean: like fast and furious gave guns to criminals and drug dealers and-- >> that one under president obama and called something like quarterback or half back, full back or something like that, and that's the-- >> there's a difference between a quarterback and a half back. >> i've dated a few. >> sean: of each? >> i'm a liberal, i get around. >> sean: this show is just so over, it's so-- this has been one heck of a night. >> look, jim carrey, he's canadian, right, canadian born guy...

Impossible. with the donors, they'll pat you on the back until you get in. when you go to collect the checks it's more difficult, much more difficult and i see this as tough and his size works against him. it's tough. >> dave: that's a whole other debate we don't have time to get in. >> i resemble that remark. >> dave: and gentlemen, thanks. >> juliet: and awlaki, a u.s. born guy, terrorist, killed by a drone strike. the question is because of the fact that he was killed, will there be more u.s. home grown terrorism here in the united states. i-. >> clayton: and retaliation, we have to watch o...

Already even harder to calculate as to how big this could become. one of the things that sources have told to me, because he's known to sometimes repeat what he's told by his advisers even after they have given him a warning, that may be one theory under which he might not have been told by his legal team because there's a high sensitivity that talking to the president about some of these things as phil explained when it's something that he should be able to fight back about, it has a tendency to come out of his mouth, around to his twitter feed. so possibly one source that i spoke to suggeste...