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Dana, is that the consensus from people who have not decided who they're going to vote for in this election? >> i think people who are undecided are just flat out disgusted by this particular issue. it is really hard to imagine that bringing those four women into the debate hall, never mind having the political stunt, photo op, i mean, it was a stunt, doing what he did beforehand with them, right before a major presidential debate. hard to imagine that is going to make undecided voters say, oh, wow! i'm going to vote for donald trump. that makes sense to me. it's just hard to imagine. just as ...

>> i think people who are undecided are just flat out disgusted by this particular issue. it is really hard to imagine that bringing those four women into the debate hall, never mind having the political stunt, photo op, i mean, it was a stunt, doing what he did beforehand with them, right before a major presidential debate. hard to imagine that is going to make undecided voters say, oh, wow! i'm going to vote for donald trump. that makes sense to me. just as larry and frank were saying, that was all about making sure that the bottom doesn't really fall out, that poll we were talking about, if...

Financial sector. honestly, maybe there were good reasons for that at the time, but now we see with the financialization of our economy has done to the country, most importantly to the country, but also to the democratic party. that white working class guy without a job that feels like he is at the bottom doesn't have anybody really looks out for him because the democrats have become almost as bad as the republicans on wall street issues. >> you know what joe and joan, i have to take a minute here, would somebody tell the people that didn't go to good colleges, and have to go work hard, often ...

Financial sector. honestly, maybe there were good reasons for that at the time, but now we see with the financialization of our economy has done to the country, most importantly to the country, but also to the democratic party. that white working class guy without a job that feels like he is at the bottom doesn't have anybody really looks out for him because the democrats have become almost as bad as the republicans on wall street issues. >> you know what joe and joan, i have to take a minute here, would somebody tell the people that didn't go to good colleges, and have to go work hard, often ...

Now, things get a bit harder because even capitol hill's research team knows that middle class is not just numbers. very few, only about 1% to 3% of the population thinks of itsself as upper class. everybody on top likes to be average. and the bottom doesn't feel it makes enough to be in the middle. so in the end, the numbers are just, well, numbing and don't tell us were. even the chief number crunchers admit this. the report says the middle class is probably closer to, say, $40,000 to $250,000. and get this, this is the real giveaway. a quote from the report. what constitutes the middle clas...