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Paying fees for 20 years. as soon as the armed marshals came in, that's when you saw the militia members come in and come to bundy's side. and that, you know, argument that bundy was making resonated with them. he won. the feds backed down. for some unknown reason, it's never been made clear to me, he just started spouting off about race and that's why he finds himself in so much trouble. >> you go from a desert tortoise to a land right issue to racist comments. a lot of people are having a hard time following the bouncing ball. there may be a discussion at the center of it worth having but to...

This is an absolutely defensive posture on this law. it's undeniable that democrats are afraid of taking it to the public. could that change in two years? yes, it may. but at the moment this is like the guy watching the website, we've got five more. is that enough for a new presser? >> how many times have republicans tried to repeal this law though? >> a few. >> you just have to take your chances. >> we haven't done any ball spiking with no success. there's a difference. >> spike at the feet. >> both sides making a consistent argument over time. like it or not, we're going to see. and i think ...

Electorate that they want to see come out. this is a -- even this early people are focused. so in midterm election years where the republican electorate has turned out, they've done well at the senate level. the president and a loot of democrats are understanding that they must make arguments that will motivate the democratic base, the base that turns out in 2012 and 2008 to turn out in greater numbers. you're going to see economic populism and the arguments defending the health care law because the voters who believe in that law who might not normally turn out are the ones the democrats need ...

Uninsured who are now insured. how many got kicked off their plan. i mean, those are the numbers depending on how they roll out are going to matter more. spike the ball today and then a week or two from now, you have a bit of a problem. why don't you wait. >> there are two separate issues. one is i think all those numbers are important and all of us as voters should want to see it. but i don't think it's spiking the ball. you can't start making the case for the law being a good thing early enough. many democrats would think the president should have made this case a year ago. to start now, we'...

Kevlar is earth's twin or maybe distant cousin. in a rocky world similar to our own, exists in a goldilocks zone where it's not too hot, not too cold for life. that means the environment could allow liquid water on its surface. it completes an orbit around its star every 130 days compared earth's 365. the telescope is responsible for the dazzling discovery. that is fascinating. craig melvin joins us. >> it's good to know we have a twin, betty nguyen. >> not that far away. only, what 500 light years away. that's all. >> yes. to sports now. we start with a baseball rarity. at tropicana field, ...