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A lot more optimistic about finding a way out of this box up on plus well the idea is that we would use technology and decentralized processes to ensure that we respect the rules but that we don't have a hard border any infrastructure the border you know with the republic of ireland michel bonnie's very very clear that that can happen he said it could happen in a new deal soon are so why shouldn't that be possible within two years so the question isn't whether this can be done it's a question of the e.u. wanted so the ball is now in the e.u. school and i would hope our german friends and all t...

Ratified. >> proponents remain optimistic. mark says whenever he feels like the bar for changes to high he imagines himself in a conversation with ben franklin. >> i thank you asked me this question, what about article five and have you used article five? we gave it to you for this purpose and when i sheepishly said well, no, 230 years we just haven't i think he would dismiss me and i think he would say go do it, go try it and let us know how it works out. >> a total of 34 states need to agree to call the convention. in los angeles, anita vogel for "the next revolution". steve: don't you love ...

Ratified. >> proponents remain optimistic. mark says whenever he feels like the bar for changes to high he imagines himself in a conversation with ben franklin. >> i thank you asked me this question, what about article five and have you used article five? we gave it to you for this purpose and when i sheepishly said well, no, 230 years we just haven't i think he would dismiss me and i think he would say go do it, go try it and let us know how it works out. >> a total of 34 states need to agree to call the convention. in los angeles, anita vogel for "the next revolution". steve: don't you love ...