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We're so desperate to give this man the benefit of the doubt. even if there is a small grain of benefit of the doubt that we could give him as judd was saying, i agree, he has been very clear on where he stands on roe. i don't think that his stance is up for debate and i think it is crazy that collins is trying to just hold on to this little shred that would give him any benefit of the doubt. i don't think there is -- i don't think he deserves the benefit of the doubt and i think he's very clear on where he stands on roe. >> and even if he's telling the truth in a very formal legalistic way, y...

Kavanaugh. collins blasted the campaign as an effort to, quote, bribe her. collins and alaska senator lisa murkowski are the two key votes to determine whether or not kavanaugh gets a lifetime seat on the court. joining me now is joy legum from popular.info and aneesha hill sane and legal analyst paul butler. thank you for being here. you wrote a piece on monday that said the following, you wrote kavanaugh made a big mistake. under friendly questioning from ted cruz he believes that ro e was incorrectly decided and should be overturned and that would make it impossible for them not to vote for...

Democratic party is using ro e w. wade as scare tactic. >> this is a line that's been drawn whether we are going criminalize women and whether we are going to be arresting women for making decisions about their bodies. this is not a fire drill. chris: senator no one is talking about arresting women, isn't that the definition of a scare tactic what kirsten gillibrand is saying. >> your question goes back to second amendment, you came back to it and said what about roe w. wade. chris: even if roe v.

Justices adhere to presidents and sometimes they overturn. >> absolutely. but major precedence of the court require a lot of attention and respect and scrutiny and we have seen that there's only one justice right now in court out of nine in period of 36 years who is saying that he would overturn roe. >> that's clarence thomas. given the republican majority in the senate and the fact that there is no longer a filibuster, one to have few ways that a trump nominee could fail to be confirmed is if you get one of the two and here they are on the screen, if you lose, one of the two republican senato...

Democratic party is using ro e w. wade as scare tactic. >> this is a line that's been drawn whether we are going criminalize women and whether we are going to be arresting women for making decisions about their bodies. this is not a fire drill. chris: senator no one is talking about arresting women, isn't that the definition of a scare tactic what kirsten gillibrand is saying. >> your question goes back to second amendment, you came back to it and said what about roe w. wade. chris: even if roe v.