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In the case where police are involved because they don't want to -- >> it sure seems that way. >> -- going against the police officers on a regular basis and throw it up leaving it to the grand jury. >> yes, i think that's certainly a reasonable interpretation of what went on. remember, this is staten island. outside of new york, most people don't know the politics of new york. staten island is the smallest, whitest and most conservative of the five boroughs of new york. he answers only to the voters of staten island. he is not someone looking to ingratiate himself with the civil rights leader...

Federal government is now talking about taking over and investigating? we asked them twice before but now they see how important it is for them to come in and take this case and as well as the other cases, the brown case. i think national action network, reverend sharpton, reverend daughtry. oh my goodness, this is just so emotional for me. we thank reverend kooerston for standing with us. because we need all of your support. we need your support and we need peace, but we need peace throughout the support. yeah, we want you to rally but rally in peace. make a statement, but make it in peace. d...

People are losing faith in the justice system because, again, we see with our own eyes. >> do you think things have gotten better? i grew up in new york city. i remember a case in the '80s, a young african-american man was playing basketball. his basketball accidentally got thrown on to a police car, ended up he got killed in a chokehold by the police officer. the police officer went before a judge and wasn't found guilty. i mean, do you think things have changed for the better? >> i keep hoping. but hope's not working. hope's not part of the grand jury the last nine days in ferguson and state...

Attorney general eric holder and the feds were stepping in. >> do you think that will make a difference? >> oh, yes. >> you do? >> they made a difference in overturning simi valley. >> a lot of times like in the michael brown case, the federal government getting involved, the federal government case is a much harder case. a civil rights violation is a lot harder case to bring the best chance of an indictment if one wants an indictment. >> what they didn't have in ferguson was the 14 minute tape by ramsey. i mean it says deadly news images. it's ramsey who gave the copy. he's the one that did i...

Laying face down with an officer sitting on his back. and that is what led to his death. >> correct. correct. and i called benjamin front today after he heard the grand jury had decided not to indict and you obviously know who he is. >> the attorney for michael brown. >> the attorney for michael brown. i said they brought back a no true bill on this case. and he said to me, what? they have a video. how could they do that? i think that's everybody's reaction here. it's just hard to believe that this jury could have done what they did. i think it had to have been directed by the district attorne...