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Via this, but also the withdrawal from the iran nuclear agreement. >> i actually am really interested in your take on that. what do you think, bruce, from your perspective, how that plays into how pulling out of the iran deal plays into any potential deal or impacts any potential deal with north korea. where do you land on this? >> well, certainly as the u.s. has said, it is sending a signal we're going to not accept an imperfect deal. one could certainly see from a north korean point of view it calls into question u.s. credibility, if the u.s. can pull out of one agreement, how can they sign ...

Program. is washington willing to give that? that remains to be seen. >> thank you very much for being with us. i know at odd hours your time, i appreciate it. i want to bring in bruce clinger, former deputy division chief for korea at the cia. and in denver ambassador chris hill, former ambassador to south korea. gentlemen, it's a pleasure to have you both and a pleasure to have your expertise. bruce, let me start with you because mike pompeo went over based on my reporting and eye mrs. ing obviously in his role as cia director but it was an intel-led effort than a diplomatic state-led effort...

Designating north korea as a state sponsor of terrorism. should have happened a long time ago. should have happened years ago. in addition threatening the world by devastation, they supported acts of international terrorism including assassinations on foreign soil. >> let me bring in bruce clinger from the heritage foundation and a former chief of the korea's branch. one of the most sanctioned the countries in the world. they don't do any trade with north korea. what difference does this designation make? >> it has several important factors. north korea is not the most heavily sanction country...