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I don't think in this case arrest would have done anything but incite more -- more panic. >> yeah, except there are reports that teens have been gathering, taunting, and antagonizing police in the area for months. critics say the time has come for all kids under 16 to be turned away from the mall unless accompanied by an adult. shannon? >> hmm. all right, trace. thank you very much. joining us now mark eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, and endel brown, pleasure to see you gentlemen. >> pleasure to see you. >> we heard that listen, a lot of people think it was good idea...

Networks competing with each other in sort of a free market competition for the hearts and minds of the followers of the jihadi faithful. and how do they win that competition? by being the first to hit us. so he is leaving his successor a far more dangerous world. and that's why you see americans are so worried about what could happen on new year's eve. >> well, whoever that successor, he or she may be has definitely got some challenges to deal with. the world is a frightening place. although we look for the hope in that as well. so happy new year, marc. there has to be some good things out th...

Another foot within the criminal, you know, networks. so that, you know, that's the new era that we're facing. and these people are dangerous because they have connections. they can get weapons. they can get passports. they can get people smuggled in over the borders. so that's for people to be worried about. >> we understand there are reports there are 500 belgians who have left and gone to places like iraq and syria the try to get involved in jihad. many of them have returned. then as you said, they're back in a westernized country with different skills. and having seen and been inspired fur...

What is that? >> so gangster jihadis is the new era of terror that we're entering. in fact, it's been there for a little while. but it hasn't really been recognized. it's the problem is that it's muslim, it's basically gangsters with a muslim background, origin, who have tasted the flavors of jihad because of the arab spring. and so these people, you know, have been introduced to this jihad from the fundamentalistic or radical muslims, and, you know, cover things, one of them is they hate the system, they hate us, and they feel victimized. they feel that it's us against them. so these gangster...