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Tipping point were regard to the value of the dollar, all that borrowing? >> we've had the deficits before and we're going to have them again and we're going to have them for a while. the war certainly costing a tremendous amount of money. far more than anyone would have thought. the key is as long as interest rates stay low, chris. if interest rates low we're going to be fine. if interest rates go sxupt dollar goes up that is a really devastating combination. >> how do you avoid rising interest rates if you double the borrowing with a new social security plan? >> it is amazing because i've be...

Amount of money, far more than anyone ever thought. if interest rates are low we'll be fine. if interest rates go up and the dollar goes up that's a d devastatining combination. it is really amazing. i have been asking it for the last year or so. the fact is rates are still very low. they continue to be low and i'm very happy about it. i can tell you the real estate industry, so many different industries, if rates go up they will collapse and it's not going to be good. if we can keep the dollar where it is even a little bit higher is fine and interest rates keep low we'll be in good shape. >> ...

Be fine. if interest rates go up and the dollar goes up, that's a devastating combination. >> how do you avoid rising interest rates? >> it's interesting. i've been asking that for the last year. rates are still low. they continue to be low, and i'm happy about it. because i can tell you the real estate industry, the entire so many different industries, if rates go up, they're going to collapse, and it's not going to be good. if we can keep the dollar pretty much where it is, even a little bit higher is fine, and interest rates keep low, we're going to be in good shape. >> you're not afraid th...