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Number one, voting fraud number two. it's ridiculous, it's gotten into their heads and, again, it's fueled by conspiracy theories from like cults in china that have websites that stupid people in america are following. >> and if you put the screws to a politician about why they're heading down this path they say things like, a lot of people have questions about this. people in my district have questions. well, they have questions because you are feeding the narrative and the conspiracy theories that bubble up and are amplified in the media bubble that so many of those voters are looking at and...

Infiltrated this. when they saw that, they said, hay, this could be a story. so you probably had a bubble-up from the dark corners of the internet up to the revolver, which is a ridiculous rag to tucker carlson who has millions of followers. it's about follow the money and power and winning elections. if politics has gone into where you have a fantasy-based way of doing business, you're in trouble. instead they're going to be running on 1/6, antifa, false flags, or anywh other ridiculou conspiracy theory. >> what can be done? >> this is very difficult because once it becomes a battle between g...

The base is believing this and you think that's how you win an election? the truth doesn't matter. that's why i've been screaming facts have to matter. >> when you look at this, and it's really a system of disinformation that's enabling this, but what is the biggest culprit? is it right wing media that is perpetuating this? is it lawmakers, many of whom -- you know and your former colleagues -- that they're lying. is it social media? what is the biggest culprit? >> it certainly is a culmination. a lot of it is a bubble-up from the bottom. we saw data during the trump presidency, they started i...

To do his job, i would agree with others who said he should resign. >> david, you said he should resign for the same reason. he also -- the incompetence argument he used today, i've seen it starting to bubble up, i think "the wall street journal" made a version of it and rush limbaugh. that was a steve bannon argument back around russian collision, right? >> that's right. >> it was the gang that couldn't shoot straight, so what do you want us to do? we couldn't pull this off. so what do you think of that? >> well, look, in the eyes of the law and the constitution, that argument does not work. ...

Upholding the constitution is going through an impeachment process, and he will be a juror. so my view is this a dereliction of duty, and if he's unwilling to do his job, i would agree with others who said he should resign. >> david, you said he should resign for the same reason. he also -- the incompetence argument he used today, i've seen it starting to bubble up, and "the wall street journal" made a version of it and rush limbaugh, and that was a steve bannon argument, it was the gang that couldn't shoot straight, so what do youant us to do, we couldn't pull this off, look in the eyes of th...