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Red flags for me. >> this goes to something that ari and i talked about. we're trying to see if there is a connection between this and somebody's function as mayor, and budget documents, in terms of what to do with pay raises, asking in your experience have you seen people with this kind of situation going on who also function perfectly okay in their jobs as lawyers or whatever it is they are. >> well, i think that we all have the capacity to function at a certain level. but is he at -- sort of his optimal level? i am not sure how that is possible. because so much energy is going into engaging...

Is above consequence. and i think this is the reality there, he doesn't expect the constituents to think it even happened, that he has on receivi-- to engage in the type of behavior is something that really raises red flags for me. >> this goes to something that ari and i talked about. we're trying to see if there is a connection between this and somebody's function as mayor, and budget documents, in terms of what to do with pay raises, asking in your experience have you seen people with this kind of situation going on who also function perfectly okay in their jobs as lawyers or whatever it is...

Black, and bring on the nothing to see here music and shot of the state capitol. yes, yes, nothing going on inside that building at all untoward, just the shouting of "shame on you, shame on you" which, of course, is not being recorded. we're told that what happened after that skillfully handed disruption is that some of the troublemakers in gallery were asked to leave. though protesters also gathered -- >> line item veto! >> -- to protest the abortion rights being waged in this year's budget documents. those antiabortion goodies loaded into the budget include a scheme to defund planned parent...

It says these are the numbers and these are the policies that prove those number. >> i would be happy if patty muralies has the same bottom-line numbers if she was transparent how she got there. there's so many gimmicks as a former cbo guy, it makes me cringe. i respect people like the progressive budget. if you want to spend more, i think you're in wrong, but be honest about it. >> paul ryan's budget doesn't really get to the detail of how he would make his cuts. >> and it's full of gimmickry. >> paul ryan's budget does more from a budget point of view than is necessary. he describes the poli...

Answers to some of those questions especially the ones about how much did you save by this particular maneuver and how much did you save by that one? won't that be in memos and budget documents somewhere that the congress will eventually discover? >> i think there's going to be a lot of that to come out, lawrence, but you recall these wells are very complex and it's going to be difficult to bifurcate some of the numbers to where it's clear what was --ç what option saved more than another. but i think the pattern of behavior is going to be fairly clear as the investigations go forward. >> sen...