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To get the uninsured in the system before it collapses because if it collapses when they are out of the system they will be victims. he didn't think that it would control costs. his notion was let's just get these people in, because the whole thing is going to collapse at some point then there will be draconian changes and these people ought to be protected. i think that's a legitimate argument. i think it's kind of somberment. >> can i say, think about -- we've had two major health reform measures, other health care measures passed. 2003 medicare part d, what just passed a few days ago. the f...

Would control costs. his notion was let's just get these people in because the whole thing is going to collapse at some point and then there will be draconian changes and these people ought to be protected. i think that's a legitimate argument. i think it's kind of somber. >> could i say, think about, we've had two major health reform measures or health care measures passed. 2003 medicare part d, what just passed a few days ago. the first was completely without any concern for budget implications. the second one lived or died pie the cbo score. they were not -- it was not even on the table tha...