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To get rid of outside money. that's how we ended up in the mess that we're in now. >> what i always expected to see after the affordable health care was passed that it would have to compete in the future with other budget items and other budget items that are of interest. a big deficit reduction bill. democrats have cut them in the past. and one of the items that republicans could put on the table in something like that is exactly if they want to get in and do the real legislative work. instead they have gone for this impossible let me tie this

>> that's not accurate, jay. >> the fact of the matter is, we have 30 million to 40 million americans that have no insurance. and many who have skeletal insurance. even more that can't afford their insurance policy. and my constituents are waiting for obama care to take place because they want to have affordable health insurance. what does this have to do with keeping the government going? absolutely nothing. it is blackmail. the republicans have to accept the fact this is a divided government. we have a democratic president, democratic senate, republican house of representatives. let's negoti...

>> why robert they doing that they way? if you get special tax status shouldn't they make sure they cross the t's and dotted the i's? >> yes, let's have openness and transparency. the public can decide for themselves whether certain groups are being audited or not. >> maybe that's something that comes out of this that there will be a closer evaluation. they are having trouble getting the refund checks out though. will they use that as an excuse? >> they are going to try to use that as an excuse and they will use an excuse that they had so many applications they were overwhelmed and then they t...

Spending in 11 years but we have a shortfall by almost half that. are they kooks? >> rather than add to the debate, i'll just say that the american people are right to support our budget items on infrastructure spending and the american society of civil engineers certainly know what they're talking about. at the end of the day we've got to ask a question, you accurately does congress reflect the will of the american people when a majority of republicans say they want more infrastructure spending. i think this is kind of a no-brainer. and i'll tell you this. we're going to keep on pressing. we ...

Try and get some kind of a larger budget deal, call it the grand bargain, if you will. he's got a lot of other things on his plate, wolf, that he'd like to do. he doesn't want to poison the well any more than it has been poisoned with congress. what he was staring at was polarization. he's trying to figure out a way to deal with these budget items because in a perfect world i think he would like to have some kind of a big budget deal over the summer. he believes that's the big moment of opportunity. the question of whether all of this chatting is going to produce anything remains to be seen. j...