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But he knows, everybody knows that we're looking at under the president's own budget post health care, we're looking at a trillion dollars a year and over the next ten years in deficits. and everybody recognizes those are unsustainable. that if we were to continue down this path, we would find ourselves in a debt crisis. and that could easily knock this economy back into another deep recession and something serious has to be done about entitlements. paul ryan has proposed a plan, which i disagree on many of the elements, and i don't think he deals with social security, he doesn't deal with tax...

It's gotten a huge amount of attention and criticism from liberals. do democrats -- do you agree with paul begala, democrats have come up with their own plan? >> no, no. i think paul is right about the fact that there was this huge health care bill last year. but he knows, everybody knows that we're looking at under the president's own budget post health care, we're looking at a trillion dollars a year and over the next ten years in deficits. and everybody recognizes those are unsustainable. that if we were to continue down this path, we would find ourselves in a debt crisis. and that could ea...