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To have that debate and i think there's no two better people than karen and mike to participate in that debate. >> we're almost out of time to what we've devoted to have this discussion. i know, nancy, you had one more question for karen. >> really quickly, karen, i'm wondering what do you think is the disconnect between your elected representatives and where you stand? i mean they're elected to represent your needs. why do you think there's -- why do you think we're at this juncture right now? >> because all they want is budget predictability, and there is no predictability in health care. ju...

Represent your needs. why do you think there's -- why do you think we're at this juncture right now? >> because all they want is budget predictability, and there is no predictability in health care. just as i said with my mike, his needs have increased over time. his care has increased over time. and that's what medicaid is there for. you know, all of us are one job -- you know, one job loss or one economic downturn, in florida, one hurricane would put -- and this is from fema -- approximately 2,700 people on the rolls of medicaid. if you had a widespread storm, it would put tens of thousands....

Juncture right now? >> because all they want is budget predictability, and there is no predictability in health care. just as i said with my mike, his needs have increased over time. his care has increased over time. and that's what medicaid is there for. you know, all of us are one job -- you know, one job loss or one economic downturn, in florida, one hurricane would put -- and this is from fema -- approximately 2,700 people on the rolls of medicaid. if you had a widespread storm, it would put tens of thousands. now, where are they going to get their health care? this is this lifeline. this ...