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In pension and healthcare. that is not unreasonable and as a way of solving the budget problem. it's got to be start. unions are very good in mounting a protest as we're seeing calling in sick and so on, but that doesn't mean they are on the side of public opinion. when you look at the polls, the governor, a democrat in new york cuomo has approval rating of 77% because he is taking on these tough choice. chris christie national political hero for the same reason. i think unions most recent polls the favorable ratings are the lowest they have been. and fdr opposed letting public employees hav...

Which is why you have richard here, with the support of the afl-cio behind the state employees of wisconsin. >> all for one. and you are stronger because the 12.5 million men and women of the afl-cio are with you in solidarity. today. now the state employees out here say they understand the budget problem. they are willing to pay up for health care and for their own pension but when you start talking about collective bargaining that is what they are worried about their future. they will not go there. >>shepard: they are making lots of noise. any way to move forward? >>reporter: it is interesti...

More of an assault on unions. i think it's very important for us to understand public employees are our neighbors, they are our friends. what is your reaction to that? >> we have great public employees in this state. nobody is going to debate that. they are good hard-working folks that work in the state of wisconsin. but the fact of the matter is, this is a budget problem. this isn't an assault on the unions. we cannot sustain the benefits we have for public employees in wisconsin. $3.5 billion in debt on november 2. the people of wisconsin spoke real clear and said take this state in a differ...

In pension and healthcare. that is not unreasonable and as a way of solving the budget problem. it's got to be start. unions are very good in mounting a protest as we're seeing calling in sick and so on, but that doesn't mean they are on the side of public opinion. when you look at the polls, the governor, a democrat in new york cuomo has approval rating of 77% because he is taking on these tough choice. chris christie national political hero for the same reason. i think unions most recent polls the favorable ratings are the lowest they have been. and fdr opposed letting public employees hav...

Critics say we are not attacking the budget problem as we should. >> i'm waiting for the politician to get up and say there's only one way to do this. you dig into the big four, medicare, medicaid, social security and defense, and anybody giving you anything different than that, you want to walk out the door, stick your finger down your throat and give them the green wienie. >> okay! so if we were to follow allen simpson's advice, that's a lot of green wienies to dole out, that's just the first step in a convoluted process. 24 committees have to join in, and the countless hearings and the floo...