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And people who make $50,000 or $30,000 a year ought to pay more. and that's exactly what they just did to the public employees and the teachers and the secretaries who work for the state of wisconsin. >> have the democrats made a mistake in the current budget negotiations in washington such as they are by agreeing to approach this as nothing but a spending issue, let's look at discretionary spending in only a few categories and let's see how much we can cut versus how much you can cut. once they've agreed to limiting the debate to that, haven't the republicans won at that point? >> well, i hop...

$30,000 a year ought to pay more. and that's exactly what they just did to the public employees and the teachers and the secretaries who work for the state of wisconsin. >> have the democrats made a mistake in the current budget negotiations in washington such as they are by agreeing to approach this as nothing but a spending issue, let's look at discretionary spending in only a few categories and let's see how much we can cut versus how much you can cut. once they've agreed to limiting the debate to that, haven't the republicans won at that point? >> well, i hope that they haven't limited the...