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Surveillance and the proposed eight-year authorization. a number of which said that's not such a good idea, given some of the outrages we've seen of late, fbi and other. let's trim that in. so i think you have intention between long-term authorizations that authorize a program for a long time and a yearly appropriation process that causes this congress to look under the hood at what's working and what's not working. think, like chip, it's important to look under the hood, because some states do a good job of administering programs like this, others don't. >> we heard from speaker ryan yesterda...

Said he would favor between 25 and 28. 21 wasn't seem all that unreasonable. >> congressman, what study suggests that this tax bill pays for itself? >> i said outside the ten-year budget window. there's a specific period of time we tend to look at. again, tax foundation has it at less than $500 billion. as you pointed out, i think rightly, the debt -- forget the tax bill for a minute, is going up regardless unless you deal with entitlement reform. when people focus on the tax bill chwhich is a small part of the debt over a decade. i say let's talk act the things that matter, social security, m...

Moving pieces. i would love to get rid of the death tax entirely, that's the right policy in my view, but there -- you know, paul, we have got a limited amount of revenue we can forego in this plan, given the budget rules we have to live with. it scores as a big loss of revenue if we eliminate it completely. it is on a list of things i would like to get to but it is too soon to know. >> on the other hand, senate has the obama care individual mandate repealed. the house bill does not. senate going to prevail on that one? that saves you money. >> yeah, it does. and not only does it save us money...

I would love to get rid of the death tax entirely, that's the right policy in my view, but there -- you know, paul, we have got a limited amount of revenue we can forego in this plan, given the budget rules we have to live with. it scores as a big loss of revenue if we eliminate it completely. it is on a list of things i would like to get to but it is too soon to know. >> on the other hand, senate has the obama care individual mandate repealed. the house bill does not. senate going to prevail on that one? that saves you money. >> yeah, it does. and not only does it save us money, it saves us m...

Non-partisan congressional score keeper when it comes to taxation plans and we know two very important things. one is that there's tax relief granted at every income level in the senate plan and two is that it retains the same amount of progressivity as the current code and that's an important component that we saw when it was released several months ago and that was reiterated inneth bo the house and senate plans. >> again, we hear from the white house that this would be good for the middle class, but when you actually crunch the numbers, you know, why is this tax plan hitting both low income...