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>> right. >> he's pushed back against the republican party -- >> he got me. >> -- in terms of immigration. he thinks the republicans have to move on this, but there are two big problems here. one, if the party performs historically the way it does in midterm elections when you have a president in his second term, there will be a lot of people on the right who will succeed and they will go back into 2016 just the way they went into 2012. you will then have a primary situation where what you have to do to get the nomination in the primaries is at odds with what you have to do to win the general....

>> -- in terms of immigration. he thinks the republicans have to move on this, but there are two big problems here. one, if the party performs historically the way it does in midterm elections when you have a president in his second term, there will be a lot of people on the right who will succeed and they will go back into 2016 just the way they went into 2012. you will then have a primary situation where what you have to do to get the nomination in the primaries is at odds with what you have to do to win the general. there will be a civil war in the republican party. it's going to be, i'd br...

General. there will be a civil war in the republican party. it's going to be, i'd broaden it out a little, create a little more diversity, between the jeb bush/chris christie side of this ledger and the paul ryan/mike huckabee side of the ledger. >> richard vigory, the direct mail expert, he pioneered the field of direct mail. he put out a statement as a bugle call. i think you're on the other side of the fit. mitt romney's loss was the death rattle of the establishment gop. far from signaling a rejection of the tea party or grassroots conservatives, the disaster of 2012 signals the beginning ...

First the bugle call. >> you sound like jim cramer. [ laughter ] >> we're both from philly. seriously, though, my argument is here -- you can say what you want, from this [ muted ] where we go and focus on the big issues that separate these two candidates. your thoughts, bob shrum? that first debate was toesed to be about domestic issues. none of those issues came up. i think in the next debate, in the town hall format, the president has to make sure they're front and center. it's about what's said day after day after day. >> right. i would add one issue to the list you gave. the president has...

This country has been led for much of the his totory by some president walked the right lane, some the left. but generally they stuck to the main highway. that is if they won the election tilting in either direction. once they got to get in the government they tended to the center. mitt is a trimmer, he says he's with you except when he's with your enemies, then he's not quite with you. you heard the joke, the santorum guy told it cpac last week, conservative, liberal and moderate walk in a bar. the bartender looks up and says hi, mitt. they used to say in massachusetts he wasn't pro-life or p...