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And it's just really hard to do. and by the way, note that that does not accomplish trump's goal. trump's goal is some version of import substitution, meaning build stuff domestically, that's being currently built abroad. that's not what we're hearing these producers saying. they're saying maybe i will go to cambodia, to vietnam, to india, to malaysia, and it's very hard to shift those supply chains, and that's why we're having some of the economic problems that lynette was just talking about, including diminished investment. now, i think the idea was that if you look at any article that was a...

The lobsters, they are getting from canada now. we will never get it 100% back. the chinese are suffering more than we are. there is no articulating view of what success is here. >> yeah. i think that's exactly right. the only way to win a trade war is to not be in one. what you are starting to hear some of these businesses saying is that they have tried in many cases to find new production platforms from which they can import the goods that are now facing increasing tariffs in china. and it's just really hard to do. by the way, note that that does not accomplish trump's goal. trump's goal is ...

What success is here. >> yeah. i think that's exactly right. the only way to win a trade war is to not be in one. what you are starting to hear some of these businesses saying is that they have tried in many cases to find new production platforms from which they can import the goods that are now facing increasing tariffs in china. and it's just really hard to do. by the way, note that that does not accomplish trump's goal. trump's goal is some version of import substitution, meaning build stuff domestically that's being currently built. that's not what we're hearing. they will saying maybe i w...

How is this president's demagoguery going to succeed? i notice the demagogues, the good ones tend to build things. huey long, hitler that. >> build stuff. this guy's not building anything. >> he's not building anything because he didn't come in on a strong foundation that reel of comments and missteps that you showed, it demonstrates to the american people that, one, this president doesn't read. he has difficulty reading. he has difficulty comprehending, and a couple of those i was sitting next to him when he referenced frederick douglass still being alive. it wasn't because we didn't brief hi...

Arthel: meanwhile, the pentagon monitoring exercises. how troublesome are those exercises? >> i think everyone is sending signals to one another. if you're in a ringing defense cleaner you have to assume that the u.s. is coming after you. people in the administration have advocated. if you're earning your money, taking her salary, you've got to give credit for that. exercises and build stuff, prepare for that. you can't afford to be caught off guard. they will do things like this and there's also the chance i hope it's not true that they become more provocative in the persian gulf as a way to ...