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Proven yet. i think the most important part of the whistle-blower's complaint is he's cited a lot of sources, he's cited a lot of episodes, instances, evidence and it seems to me -- do they have enough ground for impeachment now? no, they don't. but it seems to me this is a point at which the democrats need the hold hearings and find out what is true, what isn't true. either build a case or the case will fall apart. it would be nice if everybody on the democratic said and the republican side would have an open mind and let's see where the facts take us. >> shepard: mr. sunday, you're the very ...

International correspondent matthew chance joining me from moscow. matthew, will these on going claims about russia and possibly the same malware being used with the vermont utility company computer. might that impact the relationship between russia and the u.s.? >> reporter: well, i mean, if hacking into the election hasn't impacted it as far as donald trump is concerned, it's hard to see how hacking into this electricity company might. i suppose it does build a case, doesn't it, against russia. but i think we have to focus on a couple of things, first of all, the hacking of the election is n...

Untrustworthy. so as people hear things, that makes a difference. as for ben carson, i think because he's a political outsider, and i think because he's really built his story on who he is, i think people may view him differently. and you also have to think about his supporters and how they'll respond, because a lot of this race has been media versus the candidates. and so you have a different narrative, different from his, going on as well. >> katrina, i wonder. because these polls are showing that ben carson is the most trustworthy. he is the most honest, according to these numbers. 62% sayi...

An attorney who is very familiar with the immigration or i should say illegal immigration matters has recommended that. that's the way the council proceeded on an 8-0 vote. >> greta: is it because the lawyer says your law can't prevail against the constitution or because the city council says we can't afford these lawsuits? >> i think it is actually saying more that we want to go ahead and see how this plays out in court. no sense giving standing to people, i guess for damages if it does not prevail in court. they are saying sit on the sidelines for the ordinance. let's not give people a chanc...

An attorney who is very familiar with the immigration or i should say illegal immigration matters has recommended that. that's the way the council proceeded on an 8-0 vote. >> greta: is it because the lawyer says your law can't prevail against the constitution or because the city council says we can't afford these lawsuits? >> i think it is actually saying more that we want to go ahead and see how this plays out in court. no sense giving standing to people, i guess for damages if it does not prevail in court. they are saying sit on the sidelines for the ordinance. let's not give people a chanc...