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That they characterize them. the rebels there, and secondly for kiev to explain what its buk missile defense systems are doing in that area. kiev denied it had any systems operating in that area. we know on june 29th rebels posted pictures of them that had sophisticated system in it and there are reports that a buk system could have come from russia. it is difficult to know at this stage where this weapons came from. as far as the u.s. is concerned, though, russia had some hand in it. it must have provided some of the expertise if it was rebels that shot it down. rebels that told them how to u...

Surfac surfac surface-to-air missile was taken by militants? >> no way. with our authorities, there is no way they could get uukrainuun assets. you can buy anti-air missile. >> an assault rifle, but this is the size of a telephone pole. >> exactly. >> you would have to be given this you would have to have special training and you're saying as far as you know, there is no buk system or similar surface-to-air missile that was taken from the ukraine military. >> not at all. given to one of the military groups. >> or probably bought by some, you know, exercise by separati t separatists. we have to...

>> there were some reports, i believe, in june, actually, in the russian state press that the rebels had actually captured a buk system from the ukrainian army. my understanding is the ukrainian army is denying that as of now, that they say they didn't have anything stolen from them. any clarity on that? >> well, you know, actually that sounds perfectly like preemptive propaganda because as soon as it would be detected that these missile systems were inside ukraine in the hands of separatists, the fingers would point directly across the border at the russian forces, and the u.s. military and u...

Eastern ukrainian town and in june russian state media con graduated the rebels for acquiring a set of buk launchers from a ukrainian air force base. they deny it was captured from their base but don't deny the rebels have access to it. on its facebook page today, adviser to the interior minister claims the rebels shot down the plane using a buk system provided by russia. the buk fires missiles at 75,000 feet, higher than the 30,000 foot level the malaysians airline flight was last measured at. all that said, and this is important, we know that both the russian and ukrainian military have the ...

All. the other one is this. the buk. the known by the u.s. as the sa-11 by the russians as the buk. this is essentially what was left standing once they eliminated all the other possibilities. the question now, did the russians actually send this buk system over the border from russia into this area of ukraine? the pentagon says it's not sure about that point yet, but what the pentagon press secretary admiral john kirby said today was in his words, it's strange credit you'llity to think the separatists could have done this all on their own. they get the training, the advice, help from the russ...