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Suspect that they haven't provided some measure of support on the other side of that border. i mean, these paramilitary forces that we don't talk about as much anymore certainly didn't act or behave or -- like some ragtag militia. so nobody's suggesting that russian military advice and assistance hasn't somehow crossed that border. it's just unclear exactly how much and when and who. again, that's what the investigators are going to look at. we got to let them do it. >> are we to believe it was just a coincidence that the president announced sanctions directly on the maker of this buks system ...

Know that you've seen the particular video, have you seen evidence that an sa-11 or buk missile system would cross the border at some point from russia into ukraine, and what can you tell us about that system and the sophistication and training that would be needed by russian separatists to actually be able to operate it effectively? >> i don't have specific information about a buk system making that transit. we're not ruling anything in or out at this point. it is -- it is a sophisticated -- that said, it is a sophisticated system. the missile itself, the saa 11, which is the one we believe w...

Russia. then on the floor of the security council, saying the systems are complicated, it's likely the separatists would have needed russian help, russian training. and now in addition to that, anderson, you have the u.s. intelligence community saying it's their working theory at this point that that missile system itself, the actual launcher, came across the border from russia. we have some audio we've obtained, again, from ukrainian officials, seeming to show that that launcher came across the border. so that gives direct, as popposo just indirect, goes to the question you asked earlier, who...