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This type of program could be used to yield more information about our private lives and open the door to more intrusive bulk collection programs in the future. they are also right to point out that although the telephone bulk collection program was subject to oversight by the foreign intelligence surveillance court and has been reauthorized repeatedly by congress, it has never been subject to vigorous public debate. for all these reasons, i believe we need a new approach. i am, therefore, ordering a transition that will end the section 215 bulk meta data program as it currently exists and est...

About our private lives. and open the door to more intrusive bulk collection programs in the future. there are -- they're also right to point out although the bulk telephone collection program was subject to oversight by the foreign intelligence surveillance court and has been reauthorized repeatedly by congress, it has never been subject to vigorous public debate. for all these reasons i believe we need a new approach. i am therefore ordering a transition that will end the section 215 bulk metadata program as it currently exists and establish a mechanism that preserves the capabilities we nee...

And it certainly violates the rights of our people. what we need to do, in effect, the intelligence community is always talking about getting a bigger and bigger haystack of information. what we need to do is focus on making sure that we can find those needles, so to speak, that really are the threats. >> senator, as you know, people in the national security community argue that national security would be damaged if we stopped these programs, including the bulk collection metadata program. you know more about these programs than others. we were just earlier talking about terrorist threats. is ...

Leaks. joining us now u.s. national security editor for "the guardian" spencer ackerman. tell us, if you will, what you think the ruling means in the broader picture in and around the nsa. >> it's absolutely a devastating thing for the nsa. the nsa has argued for the last six months that every court that has looked at it, every judge that examined it's bulk collection programs has found them to be completely in compliance with the law and with the constitution. that talking point is now out the window with judge leon's ruling. >> i want to get your thoughts here and as someone who worked with ...

Controversial surveillance programs. we have gone through these documents. we have read them. and then the biggest takeaway is this. the nsa's two bulk collection programs have had a number of technical and human compliance issues. but according to these documents, the problems are being addressed. many details about these technical and human problems, though, they have been redacted. they've been blacked out. let me bring in crime and justice correspondent joe johns in washington. the nsa, they're not getting specific as far as how compliant snags were resolved. we don't really know if, how t...