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The bulk collection. is that a resource you wish you had today? >> we understand the concern people have with not only protecting our values but our privacy interests as well. we think that the usa freedom act was a good resolution of that -- >> you still do? >> we're committed to working forward under that -- >> you don't want new reforms? more access? >> if congress wants to talk about anything, we're happy to provide information. we're committed to moving forward under the current act. that act does primarily deal with overseas individuals and contacts there, but every tool is important, ch...

A week ago we were still able to see the phone records of a potential terrorist cause. we held them. now you have to hope the phone company still has them. you have to argue with their chief council. by the time you get access and try to find out who they have been talking to before it's too late. you were on the forefront of trying to change this law. any second thoughts? >> well, you know, senator rubio were doing his job and in congress more he would know the program continues. the paris tragedy, this tragedy happened while we were still doing bulk collection, all bulk collection. also in f...

Mr. woolsey for one final question. while the threat is growing quite remarkably the ns a's bulk collection of data ran out last sunday. edward snowden the person who released this information has blood on his hands how seriously does this hurt us particularly when you are talking about homegrown threats with the possibility that a fellow like farook is in touch with people. >> safety huge amount of data for clients. they can tell you what medium you ought to be using to bring a purchase to a client's attention it, when it ought to happen. what will let you buy something when you are in a stor...

What do you do? that could have helped here, but that bulk collection of data would not have made a difference because of the trade craft that was being used. >> many security experts would argue that meta data collection would at least show ties to terrorist organizations, to potential jihadists that might be in the country and also other attacks that could be happening in the future. thank you for your expertise joshua katz this morning. >> thank you. the time is five minutes before the top of the hour. an arsenal of weapons uncovered at the couples' home. this morning, a hunt for another ...

Qae qaeda, isis and others are using dating websites around the globe to identify potential recruits, to pair recruits together, and this is the -- i think this is going to come out that this pair was put together for this particular purpose. and josh, just last week, the nsa lost its ability to collect met a data for cell phone records. investigators are trying to piece together if the people had ties to others who may be plotting attacks. what does this tell you about where our country is going in terms of the privacy versus security debate? >> it's a deebate we need to have. this bulk col...