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Single example of a time or a case when these programs not just the bulk data collection but a couple other things set to expire certain wiretap provisions have saved the day, have thwarted terrorism. asked further, can you at least explain a case where they helped things? the white house response has been that he's cases involve classified material. they're not going to share those campbells. in our view you think they would have at least one where they could point to something concrete's and say, this here's an example of why we need these programs but they're not doing that. what they're sa...

Between security and privacy rights public sector and private sector agreement on how we go forward and again, ending the data the bulk data collection. >> we have never gotten this close to seeing the patriot act expire since 9/11? do you think that's because we have so much different concern for privacy and security rights of american citizens? >> the privacy -- the balance between security and privacy and liberty is as old as our country. benjamin franklin said if you don't have liberty, you won't have security. and if you don't have security, you won't have liberty. you have to have both. ...

Bipartisan bill called the usa freedom act which essentially is a edward snowden-inspired reform to the way the nsa collects phone data passed earlier this month 338 -- sorry, 338-88. one thought that after that passed so overwhelmingly with the support of the house gop leadership that it could move to the senate and face smooth sailing. however, mitch mcconnell, the senate leader has been opposed to this. he wants to reinstitute the status quo nsa part of the patriot act in terms of bulk data collection. this reform bill would all the bulk data under the umbrellas of the phone companies, not ...

Mcconnell's compromises to pass. he wants to get rid of bulk data collection. number one, can mitch mcconnell get this through if he wants to? if not, what can he do? number two, what role does rand paul play? our nbc news producer frank thorpe said from aides he spoke to rand paul in theory if he played every parliamentary procedural trick up his sleeve could drag this out until thursday. the administration will say if these programs are dead till thursday, that's a huge lapse in security. something to keep your eye on. anytime you get these guys back on sunday, they tend to move quickly. the...

Many public backers. >> you could say that tlc is sort of tarnishing themselves in this case considering they haven't jumped on the opportunity to make a decision. >> they are in talks to possibly create a spin-off show with some of the older married sisters. returning to one of our top stories, senate lawmakers will be on the hill this weekend to vote on the controversial pariot act and sections of the act are set to expire sunday including the provision authorizing the nsa's bulk data collection of millions of americans. how is all of this going to play out? it's our topic of the day which i...