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When these programs expire, they've got a clock ticking right now. >> 60 days. >> thanks very much. let's dig deeper. t deputy national security adviser ben rhodes is joining me. caucuses with the democrats saying it's a good start but the nsa is still violating the fourth amendment to the constitution. what do you say? >> well, wolf, as the president said, we did not find any instances of abuse in terms of the nsa going beyond what is approved by congress in the courts. what we found is a potential for abuse when they hold this bulk metadata. so on this program that collects metadata, telep...

Picking it up. we should be able to know what is on the minds of germany and other foreign leaders before we read about it in the newspapers and don't know about it. they are important for our security. >> christian, listen to what the president defined as what he is going to change about this program. >> i believe we need a new approach. i am therefore ordering a transition that will end the section 215 bulk metadata program as it currently exists and establish a mechanism that preserves the capabilities we need without the government holding the bulk metadata. >> what is the significance of ...

Change. the government hasn't decided how it's going to move this database and where it's going to move the metadata 215 information. there's a lot of details -- the devil is in the details. the other thing we don't know about is the nature of the presidential directive. i suspect it's top secret plus. i'm not sure whether we'll get a modified version. a lot of what he's telling us we can't know. i suspect he went too far for the intelligence community and not far enough for civil liberties advocates but i suspect there was no alternative. i don't see how he could have moved closer to either s...

The next 60 days we'll review the options for how we map terrorist communications without the government holding possession of this database of bulk telephone metadata. >> well, one option that the president apparently doesn't like is letting the telecommunication firms, companies themselves hold all of this bulk data. i mean, who else could do it? is there a third party? is there an outsourcing that you're thinking about because a lot of us are con us fooed. who might be able to store all of this bulk data and at the same time protect it? >> well, wolf, there are really three options here. on...

About our private lives. and open the door to more intrusive bulk collection programs in the future. there are -- they're also right to point out although the bulk telephone collection program was subject to oversight by the foreign intelligence surveillance court and has been reauthorized repeatedly by congress, it has never been subject to vigorous public debate. for all these reasons i believe we need a new approach. i am therefore ordering a transition that will end the section 215 bulk metadata program as it currently exists and establish a mechanism that preserves the capabilities we nee...