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Officials and many concerned senators and members of congress arguing that the u.s. is exposed now that this programs has lapsed, there are a lot of other people who say not so much. you mentioned lone wolf provision hasn't even been used but they want to make sure they have the tools in their quiver and why you have folks working here to get that law renewed. it looks as though right now there will be a vote, final passage on the usa freedom act that the house passed, that makes some revisions to these programs, by as early as tomorrow. this could be resolved relatively soon. it will still ta...

President obama to end the nsa's domestic bulk program which is the first program that we reported with the snowden documents. do you share that view? do you think those disclosures are leading potentially positive reforms now? >> well, i do. i think the fact is, i think the president should let the program expire. one good thing in the patriot act is that it had an expiration date. let it expire. we can do that. in fact, if it came up for a vote in the house to reauthorize it, i think it would go down and go down hard. and i think that the president's acknowledging that with this effort. and,...

Complex. >> in the councils of government, we must guard by the military industrial complex. the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. >> we start with julian sanchez at the cato institute. you've heard what the president wants to do. what do you think of what he's proposing? >> well, unfortunately, the devil or angel, i suppose is going to end up being in the details here. with respect to the bulk program, really what the president said is actually consistent with either continuing bulk collection and just having someone else act as an intermediary. it'...