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A billion dollars in dues. that's a lot of money for those union heads. >> steve: and you can understand why they would want to do that. it's in their own best interest. >> sure is. >> steve: let's talk about this, unions are trying to force a bill to get retroactive pay for the shutdown just like the federal workers. >> oh, that's going to happen. that's not even an issue. they're going to get it. >> steve: you think so? >> oh, yeah. i mean, they're working full time on this one and they're going to get it. >> steve: so they're going to wind -- >> patronage is not dead. chicago style patronag...

These are solid democrats that would have been supportive of the president's healthcare plan. >> this comes from a provision that defines a full-time employee as someone who works more than 30 hours a week. i talked to the head of restaurant companies. i have got a lot of single moms who need 30-34 hours a week plus tips to make ends meet. we are putting in place a system so they don't get any more than 30 hours a week. the teamsters, the food workers and culinary and hotel people. what these union heads are seeing, the companies that employ their members are saying we are only going to allow ...

Heads up the national education association. good do have you. how did it go? >>guest: good meeting. we had an opportunity to talk about what we believe is important and as you mentioned this is the first of three meeting, and he went with labor leaders is groups today and talk with business tomorrow and friday talk with members of congress. >>neil: how did moveon.org get on that meeting that is like me at a weight watcher convention? >>guest: they are part of group instrument am and active in the election. what is important in the election, it is not just who was elected but the values and id...

They think are extraneous to educate ago young person. >> gretchen: could it be that the american public is gaining more knowledge about the money that's already been spent on education and they're look at the results coupled with the fact that we're also concerned about the deficit right now than in years past? >> that's right. i think a lot of parents are look at the schools and the kids' performance and saying, what's going on here? all these lavish benefits that the teachers are getting and there are great teachers and deserve to be paid well. but these union heads are pushing and hushing ...

Representing thousands of immigration agent slam the president's border policies saying they have been ordered to allow illegal immigrants to essentially game the system. here's the union boss, chris cain. >> if an inmate in a jail claims to be a dreamer to avoid deportation, or arrest, our officers are required to accept that claim and no other proof is required to substantiate that the alien meets the criteria of the new administration policy. at this point we don't understand why dhs even has criteria at all as there is no requirement or burden to prove anything on the part of the alien. me...