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Border that america has. so it's really a manufactured crisis. the president did, of course, back off calling this a national emergency wisely. but the fact that the government, it's made it actually ironically even harder to come one a resolution to shut, to reopen the government. so just tremendously disturbing way to start the new year, for the president to begin his third year in office. >> right. and he hasn't showed very much empathy for the federal workers, who are hurting right now. i want to turn to this buzz feed article. they are standing by the story, despite the statement from the...

Just with dreamers but illegal aliens undocumented immigrants, however, you want to call them that is now a potential voting constituency for them in the future. and the democrats used to say for example we want to pass the citizenship, i think they have abandoned that. they're just people to come many, and they're not particularly upset it be. let's change topics for just a moment and talk about this explosive report that buzz feed news put out on thursday. saying that president trump had told michael cohen who was then his lawyer to lie to congress about the trump are tower that he wanted to...

People. let them get paid. let them go back to work. don't hold them hostage as he admitted on vipe. he said it's my shutdown. the >> let's go to this buzz feed article. it's pretty explosive here. what do you make of the article and the mueller team taking this extraordinary step to refute what was said in the article? >> you know, my faith and confidence is in mueller. he's a professional prosecutor. i was a prosecutor at one point. i believe that one of the things that could be taking place, he's coming to the conclusion of his investigation and there are witnesses that you still are talkin...

He's got to dot every "i" and cross every "t." >> wrrd to the talk of impeachment several democrats saw the buzz feed article, warmed up immediately to justification for beginning those discussions if not ongoing discussions towards impeachment. but if this buzz feed article is proven to be false, where does that put the discussion? >> well, i think that in every statement that i heard, the democrats have said "if the buzz feed story is true." so we got to find out that if it is true. if it is true, then you go back and you look at what took place with nixon. nixon was claiming he was innocent...

President's culpability here in what would be a crime. in his interview with chris cuomo and his subsequent tweets on the subject he said there's no involvement with collusion on russians in the e-mail hack. the only possible crime, so within the last 48 hours you have two things happening. the only possible crime is if basically president trump personally hacked the dnc e-mails, and you have buzz feed saying the president committed a crime by suborning perjury. >> yeah. and you see rudy really making an effort to protect and isolate his client and define down the possible damage to saying, ye...