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>> misguided. >> because they're radicalized in prison or lost souls who somehow just turn evil here. i want to talk about the mode here, a van on a bridge, three guys with fake suicide belts or suicide vests, depending on what you hear from the witnesses, foot-long hunting knives. it looks like the barrier of entry here pretty low. what do you make of how this attack was conducted? >> sure. and i think when we describe it as a van, it's almost too benign a term. you know, you look at the physics application, force equals mass times acceleration. the mass of that van, which probably weighed 6,...

The officials have gone there and they are officially calling this terrorist incidents. what does that tell you that they may have information but can't share yet. >> they do have some pieces of evidence, some forensic evidence or possibly somebody in custody. and they have to believe now that this is a terrorist attack. there were too many things that would have been coincidence. it seems to have the proto typical ear mark of an isis inspired attack. since 1991 when the isis cook book was put out. bombings were the rage because you couldn't track people down the way that you can nowadays. for...

Could happen here. so in the u.s., what are the concerns, and are we seeing stepped-up security as we are in the holidays? >> yeah. of course, you're going to see stepped up security. i think, you know, it's tragic. yes, that can happen here. i think the key in all of this is too understand that, when it comes to a terrorist attack like this, driving a truck -- we're not talking about necessarily a ton of bombs or a ton of c-4 or anything like that. driving a truck. it's really hard to screen against that. ultimately you have to screen somebody's heart and intentions, and you don't know when s...

On that search. they discussed their feelings about bergdahl, some of which are they thought he was in many ways gutless. there was concern after his rescue there would be retaliation against bergdahl. an interesting look into a story that in many ways we thought we understood because timed, as you say, jose, with this court-martial. so in many ways listeners getting a sense of what this trial is going to be all about. >> yeah, and richard, you covered the search for bergdahl as it unfolded. i want to play what one of the men in charge of that search said in this morning's serial podcast. >> t...

As far as demeanor, william porter was down to earth. he was talking natural. cross-examination didn't really change at all. the question is, how did he get the horrific injuries, freddie gray? because the c-4 vertebra was locked up and over c-5. the ligaments were ripped and torn. the nerves could not do blood flow. the arteries couldn't take oxygen to the brain so he couldn't breathe. chris, that is the perplexing thing, there's no evidence that the van went at high speed or stopped quickly. the injuries were as the medical examiner said you had fallen out of a major airplane crash. >> well,...