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It was publicly available, the rest of it was never to be studied. >> it's not there aren't questions because there are, suspicious timing and all kinds of things you could point to, but is there a fact that you can point to that says right here in this e-mail she says, go after these groups. i want you to particularly go after conservative groups, you know, harass them, whatever. is there a direct piece of information you can point to? >> it's a case file that's built, including her wanting to, musing about working for the president's 501 c4 organize for america. the reality is the ways and m...

Questions because there are, suspicious timing and all kinds of things you could point to, but is there a fact that you can point to that says right here in this e-mail she says, go after these groups. i want you to particularly go after conservative groups, you know, harass them, whatever. is there a direct piece of information you can point to? >> it's a case file that's built, including her wanting to, musing about working for the president's 501 c4 organize for america. the reality is the ways and means committee has prepared criminal charges and referred them. we have built a fairly exten...

democrats who are saying this is all in the minds of republicans? doesn't the people -- don't the people at home who say wait this doesn't make sense to me. don't they count for something? >> this requires an extremely improbable degree of coincidence, six computers, hers goes down, nobody can locate it, no reporting of it, and all of us know from our own experience that e-mails never die. all of a sudden these have died. precisely, you say there were tons of emails released. yes but these are the ones precisely that would connect the irs with other agencies. >> you don't know that. >> that...

The victims are people targeted because of political ideology. that's a crime. >> let's look at the tax filing of any of these groups and ask yourself how close they came to breaking the law. >> do you think the 501-c-4's are breaking the law. >> i do, yeah. >> then we should start looking at them. >> they have a $12 billion budget but $1.8 billion is specifically for it management. $300 million of that was for server management. and they can't -- it's not just lois learner's e-mails lost. it's six additional people who happened to lose their e-mails at the specific time the committee is askin...

No wrong-doing. the victims are people targeted because of political ideology. that's a crime. >> let's look at the tax filing of any of these groups and ask yourself how close they came to breaking the law. >> do you think the 501-c-4's are breaking the law. >> i do, yeah. >> then we should start looking at them. >> they have a $12 billion budget but $1.8 billion is specifically for it management. $300 million of that was for server management. and they can't -- it's not just lois learner's e-mails lost. it's six additional people who happened to lose their e-mails at the specific time the co...