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Where's jon? and if i say, hey, where's jon? john, john, hey, folks, help me. you know, i don't know that his story of what happened here is convincing, but i do know this, and jose baez points it out very, very specifically, if they had the evidence, they would have held him longer, and they just -- under aruban law you can hold someone up until a certain point without charging them, which is different than the united states law, but in that situation the, you know, there was no mountain of evidence, no mountain of circumstantial evidence. no choice. she's gone, no proof of wrong doing -- jon...

Of the young man. now to do this whole process again, i think it's very likely that the state will allow the one sentenced to death the plead to life, try to get some kind of plea deal to spare these families because what has happened here is just outrageous. jon: they had changes of venue the first time around -- >> they could try them in alaska, doesn't matter. they'd be convicted. jon: let's turn to a second topic because you have a cable exclusive for us. you just spoke to gary giordano, the guy who spent four months in prison? >> four months in aruba, in the prison. gary giordano, of cour...

>> sean: coming up, we'll check in with karl rove. he'll be here with his predictions for election day 2012. later in cable exclusive, former super lobbyist jack abramoff will join me in studio. if you think the corruption in washington ended with his conviction, you'll be shocked to hear what he says is still going on today in our nation's capitol on today in our nation's capitol with your money. [ male announcer ] if y're gonna build a fuel-efficient car, the first thing you got to do is make a car that's worth building, that has all the luxury you'd expect. then you put i an 8-speed transmi...

>> sean: coming up, we'll check in with karl rove. he'll be here with his predictions for election day 2012. later in cable exclusive, former super lobbyist jack abramoff will join me in studio. if you think the corruption in washington ended with his conviction, you'll be shocked to hear what he says is still going on today in our nation's capitol with your money. at bank of america, we're lending and investing in communities across the country,

Nation's most powerful and influential lawmakers. in 2006 jack abramoff pleaded guilty to charges related to a scheme in which he swindled american indian clients, manipulated public officials and pocketed tens of millions for himself and a business partner. now, after serving 43 months in prison, abramoff is opening up about his fall from grace and exposing the mysterious and crooked world in his new book. he argues while his ordeal may have changed federal lobbying laws, the system is far from fixed. it hitd book shelves today. joining me now in cable exclusive is the man himself, jack abram...