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They're forced off the bridge to a nearby riverbank. >> i remember commenting to my girlfriend that if he does jump, i'm going in. but i don't think that i really believed that i would actually -- that it would come down to that. >> if it does come to that, garrett couples is qualified. he's a medical student trained in lifesaving cpr. and for eight straight summers he's been an ocean lifeguard with a perfect rescue record. >> i've been in the water at least 100 times. >> by now, more than 50 policemen and firefighters are on the scene, and couples assumes that with so many rescuers around the...

Towards the presidency? >> yeah, pull out your wall calendar on that one. karl rove's job is to divide the democratic party. that is clearly the role here. hillary clinton has approval ratings that are sky high right now. one reason for that is at the end of the 2008 campaign, another cable station became sort of a fan of hillary clinton's as she was running against barack obama, he being the hated one. she being the suddenly acceptable democrat. look, you would rather attach yourself if you're karl rove, to somebody popular than somebody who is not. a lot of republicans in researching this bo...

Her as this convenient device. and this thing is, he need not reach back to her first lady days, to the days where you can say no, no, no, that is not where you have examples. it would be in her senate career and the role as secretary of state. if he is going to praise her role as secretary of state, he would in effect be praising president obama. and he can't allow himself to do that. >> that is right, and also i recall there was an upset at this other cable station that shall not be named about her tenure of secretary of state about benghazi. so he is being very disingenuous in his praise, a...

Not to attack hillary clinton. it is just that rove is using her as this convenient device. and this thing is, he need not reach back to her first lady days, to the days where you can say no, no, no, that is not where you have examples. it would be in her senate career and the role as secretary of state. if he is going to praise her role as secretary of state, he would in effect be praising president obama. and he can't allow himself to do that. >> that is right, and also i recall there was an upset at this other cable station that shall not be named about her tenure of secretary of state abou...

Expect more later? when will he turn against hillary clinton? as she starts to make moves towards the presidency? >> yeah, pull out your wall calendar on that one. karl rove's job is to divide the democratic party. that is clearly the role here. hillary clinton has approval ratings that are sky high right now. one reason for that is at the end of the 2008 campaign, another cable station became sort of a fan of hillary clinton's as she was running against barack obama, he being the hated one. she being the suddenly acceptable democrat. look, you would rather attach yourself if you're karl rove,...