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Guy who has made lots of money in recent years. but he didn't make money on everything he tried. and the investment deals that he did didn't always work out. that gas money out of ukraine, that was allegedly supposed to end up in a huge real estate deal manafort arranged that was going to tear down a big hotel in new york city and create a tower. that deal, according to this rico lawsuit that was a money laundering effort. that tower deal in new york city never happened. and the times reports that he also ended up owing money to one of the gas guys, like $10 million. that black sea cable tv de...

But a guy who has been willing to look longer, look at horizon and not get too bogged down in the --. >> but you write that the president told you the whole cable thing wears you out, i would not think if you were the president of the united states you would not worry about the cabling thing. >> that was three months into the pregnancy so everyone adjusts to the realities of 9 presidency. >> but speaking of which you are part of msnbc and in your role as come daughter when you occasionally and mildly criticize the president i feel like you are sort of holding back a bit and you are in the word...

In my experience who is not a perfect guy, i'm very clear about that in high bookmy book, but a guy who can look at the horizon and not get bogged down in the moment. >> you write >> you write at one point the president told you this local cable thing wears you out. i wouldn't think if you're president of the united states you'd worry that much about the whole cable thing. >> well, first of all that was three months in to his presidency, so i think everybodied a justseverybody ed a juts adjusts to the realities of the presidency. >> and you're now part of >> and you're now part of msnbc. when ...

New york city, tv's number one market, to see how viewers were responding to this. take a look. >> i only heard about it because i went to watch "web therapy" this morning on showtime and there was a page on the cable thing saying, due to outrageous behavior, something like that, they said from cbs, they are not -- they don't have showtime right now. >> it's annoying, you know? there's a ton of stuff i watch on cbs. that's the main annoying thing. david letterman. i'm about ready to lose my mind of i don't know what i'm going to do next week. >> now, remember, cbs is the most-watched network i...

Oprah surrounded in the big square with people but the story doesn't make much sense because oprah is winding down her talk show. her last episode scheduled to air on may 25th. she is already pretty booked between that and her big cable network. so you can understand all of the amount of logistics involved in taking oprah on the road. it's not something that can be thrown together so quickly. maybe she will do something with satellite and an audience, we are squashing that. >> oprah can do anything. >> reporter: that's a little too much for even oprah's plate. come on. she's human like us. >> ...