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>> okay. so now we've got none of this information in the government archives. now, do you believe and i know that there are a lot of people who have said that if you are the secretary of state, most of what you're dealing with is classify classified. do you believe there can be possibly no classified e-mails on that personal e-mail? >> no. it's impossible. anything that she communicated about, about u.s. foreign policy, which is some of the most sought after information in the world, is necessarily classified. >> all right. so, if she has classified information on a personal e-mail or a perso...

Approaches an american. let's say some cia operative, officer who may be working inside germany and says, i have information that is of critical importance to the u.s. national security, what does a cia officer do in a situation like that? >> well, first, you have to talk to the guy and figure out what he's got, who he is. but i think when that information goes to cia headquarters, and believe me, after 25 years at cia, i can guarantee you that immediately someone at the embassy in germany sent that information back to washington. everything is captured in what we call cable traffic between th...

It was illegal and somebody should go to jail for doing it rove says he doesn't believe they are taking emails. all right? >> i think that's probably true. whatever emails they are taking are not from people in the united states. >> bill: okay. so you believe that? >> well, look, i believe it's possible that they could illegally do something else. i'm just assuming the program is being carried out legally. that may be a big assumption but i will take it. >> bill: why do you think they are building this humongous thing in utah. >> this is what the nasa does. the nsa intercepts and analyzes comm...

It was illegal and somebody should go to jail for doing it rove says he doesn't believe they are taking emails. all right? >> i think that's probably true. whatever emails they are taking are not from people in the united states. >> bill: okay. so you believe that? >> well, look, i believe it's possible that they could illegally do something else. i'm just assuming the program is being carried out legally. that may be a big assumption but i will take it. >> bill: why do you think they are building this humongous thing in utah. >> this is what the nasa does. the nsa intercepts and analyzes comm...

Because every time they make a deal with them, he reneges on it. >> so is the relationship frosty? there is one interesting thing on benghazi. it seems like the white house -- they want to point all the fingers at the state department. is that on purpose? >> oh, yes. i thinks. at one point bill thought that hillary was going to be made the scapegoat. he told her, if they do that, have you to resign. they didn't do that examine -- >> who has to resign? >> resign from secretary of state. >> okay. it's still happening now because she's gone. >> she's gone. but they are still saying it. i am told ...