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That makes it difficult for the leader. churchill said dictators are autocrats tend to ride tigers and they are afraid to get off. >> greta: everybody wonders why he won't leave. he has dug his heels in and it is getting more dangerous. people thought today he would leave. >> try to put year self in his shoes. on the one -- put yourself in his shoes. on the one hand you can make an argument he would prefer to go out with some dignity or with some period of time. and not be thrown out. you can put yourself in his shoes and say you can make a rational case that he cares about egypt. he recognize...

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Like? >> husky, he was an ex-air force pilot. he used to play squash before he was 82. i met him when sadat was tacking president under the republic after -- was acting president under the republic after the death of nasser. we were together when president ford was meeting with president sadat and he was the new vice president. we were meeting and talking about flying and the air force and the united states navy. he tended to have a lot of energy. however, here we are, these many years since he's become president. the circumstance of the people of egypt they've not experienced a movement towar...

>> clearly, as i discussed in the book, the -- in fact, i gave a speech in 1984, i believe, i talked about the fact that a terrorist can attack any place, any time, using any technique. it is not possible to defend against a terrorist attack at any moment of the day or night, against any technique. and the fact that we needed to treat it as a national security problem, rather than a series of isolated events. george schultz also gave a speech in 1985 on that subject. i guess the short answer to your question is, we both saw it as a problem of a different order than it was being considered, at ...