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Cato, who told politico, at a minimum, it was a colossus lack of judgment. it's a no win situation. if he were to advise or you were to advise mccarthy at this moment, what would you tell mccarthy to do? >> just really quick, this is all obviously a felony. we'll see. this guy couldn't pay rent and he's making capital introductions to billionaires, the whole thing is ridiculous. katko has the ability to be honest with mccarthy, give him honest advice since he's leaving. he also voted to impeach trump. he doesn't have the same incentive mccarthy has. this is the problem. it's very clear the sma...

Have to pay to have him come talk to your event. and i'm wondering if this testimony today will kind of sweeten the deal to get him into this. >> and the whole frame of the debate around john bolton they have been playing chicken with congress. his lawyer, mr. cooper, made a point of saying two fridays ago he has a lot of interesting insights, guys. you know, basically waving a red flag in front of the bull. congressional sources told me we're not playing. we are not playing that game. we're not subpoenaing him or getting wrapped up in court for 10 to 12 months. he has been accused by gordon s...

Abuse babies at our border. that's not appropriate, we don't want that. and then it's important, listen, there needs to be a signal sent i think in november that some things are beyond the pale. i think if you begin to put that together, i think the calculation changes. but what's key is that trump doesn't care about the general polling. he cares about the polling for his base, which means if you are a trump voter, you have a tremendous amount of power in this situation. if you are a trump voter and have always been there for him, you want the wall. you can say i want the wall but i don't want...

Of cultural lightning rod his poll numbers stay up. only when they start refocusing on the election itself. whether it puts him in a bad way up against obama. calculation changes. he gets hurt. eventually slowly cycles off the sport. this changed the poll numbers now to the ceiling. before there might have been a floor to build on. it will be interesting to see how the new people come to him. >> bret: although, it seems like at least the campaign is talking about fundraising going up. attention going up. you just think there is a creeling there when the allegations come out. >> i do. regardles...

Eventually vote for kavanaugh. there's a lot of head counting. but one thing we know, senator mccain likely isn't going to come back and cast a vote. obviously, everyone hopes he does. likely he isn't going to. the calculation changes. as far as the numbers. >> dana: anything bee should know about your interview with vice president pence that will air on "special report". >> he's up on capitol hill, we will be heading up there shortly. and we will be obviously talking about the rollout, and the left what they've been saying about brett kavanaugh and other issues as well. should be good. >> dan...