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Migs in, our fingerprints shouldn't be on it but they said such a move would trigger world war ii. are you saying let's call putin's bluff? >> i think we have to do everything we can to let the ukrainian people know that we put our actions where our words are. and i think we -- we have already done things that are very similar to this with all of the defensive equipment and offensive equipment we're getting to them. and when we say we're going to do something and we don't do it, we're sending mixed messages to putin and show as lot of resolve. when you're up against what we're up against, you ...

Be a pretext for escalation. he's already said the arms that we're giving them now is an act of war. that's what putin is saying. so it seems that putin's talking to a few of his yes men. i don't think he's consulting with his lawyers. our pentagon is consulting with lawyers. the worth thing here is that in news conferences and on television, we're always talking about what we're going to do to help. we're sending messages through our news media, to putin what we're going to do. when it comes to national security issues, we ought to keep our mouth shut. >> neil: senator, the read from the defe...

>> martha: i don't want to get in a hypothetical here. you heard the president say when he was asked this question that there would be severe consequences for russia should they do that. i don't wet to -- >> neil: what are severe consequences? that seems to be upping the ante should be a weapon that we already have. >> nobody wants it to escalate. it doesn't have to. this is a war of choice that mr. putin can end right now. nobody wants to see this get more violent. nobody wants to see anybody else have to flee or be killed or wounded by this unprovoked aggression from russia. i can end today....

Conflict with russia which would have drawn us potentially into a war k. that's why it's tough because it's kind of in a gray zone of how much of this stuff can we put in there to where russia feels it doesn't cross a line. it is conceivable, if russia feels like they're suffering a lot of casualties from the stuff out of poland, it's possible they may hit the depot in poland and say they consider that a legitimate military target. now, we wouldn't agree with that, but we don't want to find out if they get to a position where out of desperation they hit the area many poland where we have troop...

Isn't that the purpose of diplomacy, to try to move the pieces on the chess board? why aren't we doing more there? >> the one thing dr. brzezinski always talked about when he came on the show is countries surprisingly enough always act in their own self interest. it is inchem bent on us to figure out what kind of deal will they take to get xi to pick up the phone, call putin and tell him to stop. as richard said, that is the very essence of diplomacy. you do things you are uncomfortable with sometimes. you move out of that zone of comfort and you strike deals with different -- we did it after ...