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You have anything on that? >> i'll let shelby handle that. >> i think it's interesting where you look at this may meeting where talk to rudy, talk to ruder all the way through the summer when giuliani is obviously publicly campaigning for these public investigations. but the president is very explicit. you'll have to talk to giuliani. in that phone call with zelensky, i'll have giuliani give you a call thinking intersects with what we did learn from the mueller report which is bob mueller documented the level of intent by this president. when he has bad things he wants to do, whether he pulls ...

Since the invention of insurance in renaissance, italy, insurance has ever given away a service for nothing. this is manual call thinking. it's deceptive thinking. cynical thinking. other than that, it's a great idea. >> bret: juan, what about the fact that the free part of it? insurance company executives are openly now saying hey, listen, this could mean higher premiums. the secretary of health and human services said he is couldn't really answer that. want to study what it means. >> insurance companies have been saying they prefer this. they want this. why? because otherwise they would have...

Since the invention of insurance in renaissance, italy, insurance has ever given away a service for nothing. this is manual call thinking. it's deceptive thinking. cynical thinking. other than that, it's a great idea. >> bret: juan, what about the fact that the free part of it? insurance company executives are openly now saying hey, listen, this could mean higher premiums. the secretary of health and human services said he is couldn't really answer that. want to study what it means. >> insurance companies have been saying they prefer this. they want this. why? because otherwise they would have...

Was radical thinking at the time and it's still rid call thinking because no one is teaching it. >> freedom versus the planned society. he has a chapter why the worst get on top. why systems like these that promise to plan things to the last detail attract demagogues and worse. >> why? >> for one thing, they are based on making promises that can't in the long run be fulfilled. >> glenn: like healthcare will actually save us money. >> exactly. >> or what we had in the united states where we have $100 trillion of unfunded liabilities in terms of social security and medicare for the future, which...

Two camps and we know now that the president of taiwan would never, according to people who know her, would never have placed a call thinking that it would not have been received. so, from the very beginning, this -- especially considering how they are framing it. they would ease into this. changing the relationship between the u.s. and china is a dramatic and potentially very dangerous thing. it doesn't surprise me that they would try to test the waters, dipping their toe in with a phone call and then also, subsequently, making points about trade and tariffs that reinforce the idea that there...