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Draw back a little. now push in. pull out fast. okay. good, jenny. >> people think i'm a -- idiot, you know? >> sometimes, you know. >> see? it's so easy. i don't know why i've been freaking out. wouldn't let me do this for i don't know how long, six months? it's not hard. did it even hurt? >> no, it was good. perfect. >> you're on your way, kid. >> greater love, there's no woman that can do that, right? >> that's right. >> did you ever miss the female chaz? >> not so much any more. but i went through a period where i definitely did. i had to adjust to the new -- the male chaz. i mean, in a se...

25 years ago. >> it would have been different. >> you may have been abused in the street. you have had none of that. >> none of that. >> that's a remarkable sign of the times. >> yes. >> does it make you feel good? >> absolutely. it makes me feel really great. i went to the yankees store to buy a cap and the guy recognized me and couldn't have been cooler. hey, chaz. oh, cool. that was it. >> that must make you feel good. >> hey, chaz. that's cool. >> exactly. >> we'll take a break. when we come back we'll come to somebody else who's cool which is your girlfriend who stood by you throughout al...

Still slightly wrestling with what's going on? >> not at all. i'm incredibly happy, and i feel really comfortable for the first time. i honestly didn't realize how difficult things were before until i had this to compare it to. >> i have never met you before, but if i didn't know the story, you look like a guy. >> right. >> you dress well in a smart suit, you got the big bulky watch. >> that's great. >> is that a patronizing things to say? >> it's a compliment. >> i always felt like a guy and now i'm able to look like a guy and be a guy. so that's what it was about for me always was, you know,...

Some sort of price. it depends on the culture as to what price you pay. you know? and chaz works with children as young as 3 and 4 that just feel that they are in the wrong body and she does counseling, you know -- he does counseling. so it's a very difficult thing. >> even your mother's not quite sure if you're he or she, chaz. that's an uncomfortable moment. >> i mean for her, look, it's ingrained. 40 years of saying "she." so it takes time to get out of the habit. >> be honest. >> okay. >> your mom, from all i have read, wasn't happy about the fact that you were a lesbian to start with. you...

That, you know, that's what's important to me here. chaz and i, i think we learned a long time ago. there was a difference between politically. but when it gets askew, we stop talking politics. it's not worth it when you're in your home. so we just don't do it. and we agree to disagree and love and laugh and that's really cool. >> love conquers all, right, chaz? >> absolutely, it does. and mary is absolutely right. with my dad we let that get in the way. when he passed away, it's like never again. and so mary and i, you know, love each other. we have, you know, and we do. if it gets a little t...