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Are terrified to walk down the corridors. not only that, but it means you lose enormous amount of lesson time because it takes so long to get them into the lessons. and when you're trying to catch children up, at 11 years old who have a reading age of a six—year—old, you need as much time in the lessons as possible. so it's about loving them, you see, and high expectations. in your school, do you see yourself as imposing a sort of order, a safe environment that doesn't exist the second they leave that school gate? yeah, that's exactly right. the children, especially if you come from a chao...

Come on! you don't think i suggested that you should ban any of those things! what are you suggesting? there are certain things that are assumed amongst people of a particular background who go to a particular type of school — usually private schools — that if they're a barrier to people reaching the top — particularly as it's not necessarily evident that all civil service is any more the best in the world — that it would be sensible to change. i think that's what the body you now head argued just a few months ago change. the point is that you're suggesting we need to pull everybody do...

I mean, you're making a very big and quite controversial point. yes. and i would say that i mean, obviously, this isn't the case for all people on the left. i'm talking i'm saying that there is a view some some of them who where they feel that they own black people, they feel that they own the way we think. and the idea that there should be diversity of thought amongst black people is something they don't like. they feel they've bought their vote and that we owe them. so i've been accused of betraying the left over and over again because how dare i not support the leftist cause? and the thing ...

An interrogation, about what shapes their thinking — is someone who helps shape our political thinking is katharine birbalsingh. she's the head of a free school, called michaela school, near wembley, and she's just been appointed as the new chair of the social mobility commission. katharine birbalsingh, welcome to political thinking. thank you. that phrase, "strictest head in britain." do you glow with pride? do you blush? or do you laugh because you think it's absurd? well, all of that, really. it's a bit funny. i think people imagine that i walk up and down the corridors with whips and cha...

Is it actually helpful to the governance of britain to learn latin or go to oxford and do ppe? you really want to ban latin? no, no, no. what doesn't the civil service change? well, but the only solution is to ban really high quality stuff. so, ban shakespeare, ban latin band, really complicated maths, because what we're doing is we're accepting that children who come from poorer families can't access that. come on, you don't think i suggested that you should ban any of those things. there are certain things that are assumed amongst people of a particular background to go to a particular type ...