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They're not aiming for a military battle. they tried and failed and the genocide is the military strategy. and as president zelenskyy said today, you know, over to you, western world. >> you know, the brutality of russian troops, i hate to pile on the russians, but the libraries have shelves full of books of russian massacres during world war ii after world war ii. the great british military historian said the largest, greatest number of mass rapes was by russian troops after, during and after world war ii. so this is in their game plan as it were because they, you know, the russian military h...

Happening. there's genocide campaigns happening inside ukraine and russia is gaslighting its own people about it. >> helena, this is where the complete saturation of propaganda inside russia confounds me as a factor for determining which military m ises to give putin. we give him the teeniest or most lethal, he's going to say the same thing. why are we so hostage to russian information ecosystems? >> i don't think it's a worry about what he will say. i think our worry, the administration worry is about what he will do and what will become a tripping point for him to launch a wider war, but on ...

>> and what is, you know -- i had helene cooper on in the last hour, and when you hear more weapons and more sanctions, as a u.s. policy, or western policy, i always want to understand what is still -- what have we left on the table? how much have we held back in terms of sanctions and weapons? and you were in the region. i mean, what is the sense of, you know, are we 40% there, waiting for the genocide to really kick in before we get to 100%? what is the delta between what we've given and what is left to give, short of involving u.s. military in a ground war in ukraine? >> well, i would say t...

There's others. i was talking about mike. there are more oligarchs that we could sanction, more people that we could hurt but the biggest one is the energy thing. the problem on the weapons is a lot of what's going on is stuff that we're purposely not talking about, right? it's hard for anybody who's not inside the military and inside nato to really know exactly how many. we know two things. we know, one, that zelenskyy feels like he's not getting as much as he needs and we also know there's more weapons being transferred across the border that are publicly known for good military reason so it...

This is a very extended conflict that russia has initiated, and i think that nato, the united states, ukraine and all the allies and partners that are supporting ukraine are going to be involved in this for quite some time. >> it's where we begin the hour with michael mcfaul. also joining us, katty kay, bbc news u.s. special correspondent. with me here onset, john heilemann, the host and executive producer of showtime's "the circus," all msnbc contributors. i need to start with you, ambassador mcfaul, and on the genocide and the slaughter of civilians as a military strategy. it's engrained in ...