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Thought of his collection. this time he asked me what i thought of his collection. honestly, it was like someone had punched me in my stomach. >> if you lived in another epic, in another time in another city, could you pick it for me? >> no way. tomorrow is going to be better. next week is going to be better. no, no, no. i'm the all-time optimist. i like it right now. >> the problem was simply drugs. he had gone way too far. >> i don't do tuxedos. >> he was out of control. out of control was symmetrical with esmark taking over. so you tell me which is the chicken and which is the egg. >> some ...

Thought we hit it off. >> you'd never think carl would ever be with halston. i mean, physically, mentally, anything. but when carl came in, in a very strange way, halston liked him a lot. >> he kept saying i have never had the right kind of management. and that's part of our problem. and he gives me a kiss on the forehead. it was wonderful. and then he says you're now the king. and he made with his own hands the crown that he gave me. >> halston i think honestly believed that carl epstein was going to mediate with big business, but i remember thinking to myself, well, there are two men in this...

They looked fantastic. you know, if you didn't know the back side of the story, it looked like a fantastic trip. halston and the group here, halston and the group there. they all look great. you know, half of them are really miserable, but they all look terrific. >> it's exhausting. and i'm just starting. >> we had a film crew following us the whole time. >> go back, go back, go back. >> every day was directed by halston. >> get out of the camera way. the cameras are here. so you can't be -- you have to be on the other side. >> he just wanted total control. and it was too much. it became too m...

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And all his friends, i mean, including andy and all of us were very happy for him. >> he told me, jean ogino, we'rg to be very busy because i'm going to design furniture, car interiors. i'm going to design carpet. >> don't you find if you take on that many things that one of your projects is going to suffer? >> it's rather like growing a tree. everyone thinks you're an overnight success. i've worked very hard for 20 years. and, you know, it's just a further extension of it. it's just another branch. they all help each other in a curious way. [music playing] (vo) this is jerry. jerry has a memb...